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Adventure Time Controversy? Whoa!

Fri Sep 30, 2011, 10:56 AM
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Sooo this is a reblog of what I posted on TUMBLR Earlier on today. Since no one follows me there(:iconforeveraloneplz:), there might be more readers here hahaha!

So this is the original post from Adventure Time Blog:


Well, I completely screwed up.

There's been chatter on the internet recently about our latest Adventure Time "Mathematical!" video recap that we created, posted, and removed here at Federator. I figure it's time to clear up the matter.

In trying to get the show's audience involved we got wrapped up by both fan conjecture and spicy fanart and went a little too far. Neither Cartoon Network nor the Adventure Time crew had anything to do with putting up or taking down our latest re-cap. The episode "What was Missing" remains a terrific short and will be shown again and again just like any other Adventure Time episode.

I let us goof in a staggering way and I'm deeply sorry it's become such a distraction for so many people.

—Fred Seibert



First of all, what happened was this(copied from albinwonderland's Tumblr):



It's complicated. Basically, the chain of events in the past few days-

-Adventure Time Episode "What Was Missing" Airs

-Instantaneous Fan feedback at Princess Bubblegum and Marceline's relationship (which is conceivably more than just platonic)

-Mathematical, a Youtube page dedicated to Adventure Time that is connected to the show but not PRODUCED BY the show, admits Marceline seems to have a non-platonic crush on PB, asks fans to call in/comment about getting PB and Marceline together as a couple

-Huge, huge outpouring of fan and non-fan input of pro M/PB messages

-Cartoon Network is scared by this

-Cartoon Network pulls the 'Mathmatical' episode from youtube

-Cartoon Network has just pulled the episode from the CN website

It is important that we fight back against this in every way possible. It is unacceptable.
  



As far as I've noticed, Adam Muto was the one who over reacted over the matter, making unnecessary comments about Mathematical, and the fans got in a really loud uproar about it too.   And I don't think there's really no one to yell at, since all sides are all right on some level. I really disagree with the way Adam Muto acted(But hey it was his opinion, so you can't be mad about that fact), but I don't disagree with Fred from Frederator for taking the video down. I think the video would've been back already if the fans didn't get so angry and made so much noise about the whole matter. Instead, they should have just discussed about it in an orderly manner. I'm all up for equality and I did not see a problem with the video talking about homosexuality, but since the fans made such a huge fuss about it, everyone started paying attention to the problem and keeping the video up would be hurtful for both Frederator & Cartoon Network.

So the issue now is waaaay bigger than just Marceline & Bubblegum crushing on each other.

Don't take me wrong; I believe there is no problem into discussing or talking about homosexuality on cartoons, but unfortunately the mass media society does not fully accept it yet. I believe there will be a time when it will(and I'm sure it's not gonna take long), but for a studio/business as big as Frederator and Cartoon Network to not do something about it would cause them lawsuits, more uproar, and more time & money being spent on lawyers trying to solve it all instead of money being spent on production for more episodes of the Series we all love so much. Now it not only hurts them, but us too.

I strongly believe that if you put yourself in a position of someone leading a company, you shouldn't think about all the money and all the free time to spend that money. Instead, you should think about the huge responsibility and psychological stress you go through everyday thinking about how to always stay at the top at what you do(Industry/business-wise), and keeping the jobs of hundreds or even thousands of people safe. That last part is the most important nowadays, when there are so many people out there without jobs with this economy. When you have all that to think about, you cannot let controversies like that affect your business.

Hey, there will be a time when someone with a great vision and a supporting crew will step into the media and make homosexuality 100% mainstream, but the place to do it is not on a children's cartoon. I really don't think Pendleton created Adventure Time to one day take a stand on society issues.

Also, think about this: when we're all on our 50s & 60s, this new generation coming after us will not even see homosexuality as an issue, because it will be so normal for them. We're all gonna talk about how back in our days it was still taboo to talk about it on television and whatnot.

Of course we have problems now and they need to be adressed now, but I guess what I'm trying to say is: Let's be patient. Or better yet, let's take this whole homosexuality discussion to a more appropriate environment(to the government & state laws, for example) and not bash on a series that we all love so much to a point that we forget that it is out on TV right now not only to entertain; but to make profit and hopefully give more people jobs doing what they love.


More info about the whole mess on:

albinwonderland.tumblr.com/

yamino.tumblr.com/

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katygrace Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2011  Hobbyist
why is everyone so hung up on the homosexual aspect here? personally i think bubblegum and marcy are adorbz together and their genders are totally irrelevant. lesbians, straight, gay... get over yourselves CN and the rest of you!

dumb homophobic people and their narrow-mindedness.
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Flashykaabii Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
i think lesbian relationships are awkward.
and the way a lot of fans see it is gross (YURI, no offence, but pls why porn of this show OTL)
and the lyrics of the song were too weird imo
but yeah it wasn't big though XD
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shadesofemerald Featured By Owner May 22, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Awkward? You think that love is awkward? How is the way fans see lesbian subtext any more gross than the way they see heterosexual subtext?  The fact that Marceline was singing about her possible crush on Princess Bubblegum shouldn't be considered any more weird than if she was singing about a crush on a guy.
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Flashykaabii Featured By Owner Jun 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Calm down, that's my opinion.
I have nothing wrong with lesbians but it's just plain awkward.
I don't like it at all. Not everyone will be comfortable with homosexual love, I don't hate homosexuals. It's just plain awkward
because I imagine myself being a lesbian and it's just weird. And well, lesbians are way sexualized.
Have you not seen how fanboys and fangirls sexualize homosexual relationships?
Look, for me, it's plain awkward. I'm not saying it's wrong, but not everyone is comfortable with it.
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shadesofemerald Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
That's fine I guess, maybe your issue here is use of the word "awkward." You were just making it sound like the thought of lesbians is awkward to you, but clearly you might not be comfortable imagining yourself as a lesbian, it's cool if that's the awkward part.  Also, lesbians being sexualized is only a stereotype in shows like family guy, the great thing about this episode was the fact that possible lesbian subtext was being displayed as something perfectly normal.  Sorry that I got so harsh though, I just take a very strong stance on matters like these.
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HareTrinity Featured By Owner Jul 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thankfully AT is pushing forward for an end to the homophobic silence (i.e. "don't talk about it") in Western cartoons. :)

We'll get there eventually!
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Ellygeh Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2011  Student Filmographer
Hey thanks for the comment!

And whooa don't worry I'm on your side I have nothing against homosexuality, my point was the same as yours, that society is still a bit narrow-minded to accept it 100%. But it won't be long till they will no worries :)
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xxgabyrawrxx Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2011  Hobbyist
i'm just wondering what the hints that show this are? i've watched this episode plenty of times and never realized anything show casing those affections.. i'm so confuzzled. .__.
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Ellygeh Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011  Student Filmographer
hahaha I know what you mean! They're only there for who wants to interpret it actually, because I didn't see it until it was mentioned by everyone at the time. I guess it's how Marceline is mad at P.B. and she's singing about biting the blood out of her face...then the shirt thing suggesting that they're really close so they're sharing clothes..? I guess it was something like that I actually don't remember much anymore ahaha it's been a while now!
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xxgabyrawrxx Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2011  Hobbyist
haha thanks! it's ok... that cleared up some parts. lol (:
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Rizzo-chan Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011  Hobbyist Artist
I think it would have been great if Marceline and Bubblegum were romantically involved. It opens a whole new world to younger audience, but i guess a lot of silly parents think homosexuality is a bad thing for kids to be viewing. Which makes no sense at all, since none of the characters are committing any adults acts. As a mother of two, I have no problem what so ever letting my children see something like this, i'm not raising my kids to be close-minded, but open and accepting to everyone's differences.

I understand the stress that the show's producers are going through, since a lot of jobs would be on the line, but they shouldn't apologize for it.

~stace
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Ellygeh Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2011  Student Filmographer
From what I heard, most of them didn't! Most of them had no problem with it except for Adam Muto, which made lots of people upset.

And yess keep being the awesome mother that you are! I bet that by the time they're older, none of this will be an issue anymore :)
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8765932012 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011
There is an element of subtlety in everything. The episode "What was missing" is certainly no exception to this. If there is the Notion of homosexuality between PB and Marceline in Adventure Time, then perhaps it is better to have it suggested, not expressed outright.

The fact that fans would suggest such an uproar against such "homophobic" tendencies that CN has shown of recent is certainly not helping the issue. Think of it like this: If you respond to a troll, the troll will try harder to troll you. The greater each side yells at the other, the greater the conflict grows, and soon the side with the most power overcomes the other. In much the same way, if fans continue to be uproarious in retaliation to CN's actions, it can only end badly.

So far from what I've heard, the sheer fact that a production company would go so far as to force plot points into the show was the problem, not the fact that there is the subtext that there are homosexual contexts in the show. It takes away from the point of watching the show to see the characters develop.

Patience is key here. As they say, good things come to those who wait.
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Ellygeh Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Student Filmographer
I agree to that! Fandom will always make the fans react to different ways to any episode they make. That is the greatness of the human mind, right? No matter the message you try to convey, every person will perceive it in different unique ways. I'm glad everything seems to be alright now, people usually forget of the matter in a few days, lol.

Thanks for the great input! I'm loving how I haven't received troll comments yet, but good discussion and arguments! Cheers to that!
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Stalcry Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I guess to me it didn't seem a strange because little bothers me :shrug:
But I found the episode to be extremely relate-able.
Marceline's actions seemed to be accurate to someone who has feelings but doesn't know how to express them, is embarrassed by them maybe. Though I understand that it is probably not the intention of the story writing for it to seem that way, but I've been there, and I immediately felt relation to what Marceline was doing. So from a completely innocent point of view, of course some part of me would like to see it continued, I also completely understand why there were issues.

I was astounded at how big the issue got so quickly. Cartoons are more than just for children nowadays, and I think that the age range of viewers may be unpredictable (My Little Pony? haha). And it is great to see shows cater to older audiences (which in Adventure Time's case I think is quite a large chunk of the fanbase? not sure) but it is understandable that certain elements are still not ready to be put out there, even if we wish they could be woven seamlessly into the plot. Sadly, both positive and negative uproar seems to muddle with what may or may not even be true >.>....

tl;dr- would I like it to happen? yup. Do I understand why the issue is so much bigger than just a probably not-even-true crush and that both sides of the argument need to calm down and let it be a cartoon? yup.
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Ellygeh Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Student Filmographer
You interpreted the episode completely different from what I have. And that is awesome!! Shows how much we all are different and think different!

Yeah, in the end what matters is that we can just sit and enjoy this great series, which became a source of fandom so big that it's amazing! I wonder if Pendleton imagined his cartoon would be as famous as it is now.. aheha fun stuff to think about!
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Stalcry Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Student Digital Artist
mmmhmm :D
I think it would be interesting if a web documentary was made regarding the popularity explosion of certain cartoon shows in recent years. Its been truly amazing!
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Ellygeh Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Student Filmographer
hmmmm...that's a good idea! Maybe I'll do that! Been thinking of some ideas for making a short film aheaha!
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Stalcry Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2011  Student Digital Artist
I think Adventure Time and My Little Pony would be the stars of that one haha. Truly a phenomenon
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billiegirl Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Read it on tumblr!! Haha this is shocking! Why people need to mess things up? Drama follows good shows I guess :D Well hope people and everything else settles down because I don't want nothing wrong for AT!
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Ellygeh Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2011  Student Filmographer
AHEhaha I know, right?! I guess that's the fandom that people create. They start loving it so much they input their own value and beliefs into the cartoon and they start wanting the episodes to go exactly the way they want. Crazy stuff! Yeah I don't think anything will happen to the episodes! The whole thing is wearing down already, as far as I can tell!
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billiegirl Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2011  Student Digital Artist
Hopefully that's true! We should enjoy the randomness and craziness of AT episodes!
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QueenPaige Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
WHOOOOAAA.... That's pretty intense stuff.
I personally haven't seen the new episode, or even HEARD of this "Mathmatical" video or whatever it is so I can't really say if people were wrong or right in what they said. (Though I never feel homosexuality should cause such arguments, because I don't think it's wrong or disgusting or anything stupid like that)

Thanks for posting this, it was very interesting to read :3
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Ellygeh Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2011  Student Filmographer
Ahahehah you're very welcome!

Yeah it was crazy it caught me by surprise! The mathematical is a youtube channel that Frederator created to involve fans into the show and show recaps of the episodes, which is pretty cool. Although it was the peeps from Frederator, it was not made by the crew who actually work in the cartoon, so that was part of the whole controversy too, and the reason Adam Muto (one of the storyboard creators) went all angry and started bashing on the other guys and the fans. But it's all wearing down already so it's all fine ahaha!
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